Here it is.
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[nutaboutit] He's going furibisha eh?
[takodori] Hirose transfrred his Rook to 6th file
[nutaboutit] ドキドキ
[takodori] Furakura opend his Bishop diagonal line
[takodori] Do you p;redict double Anaguma again?
[takodori] I do.
[nutaboutit] Seems clear
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[takodori] Sennte is Hirose and Gote is Fukaura for rematch.
[nutaboutit] Seems you have to nowadays with shikenbisha now that Fujii's system has been made obsolete.
[takodori] I'm not sure. What fujii will choose in the coming Oza-sen with Oza Habu is everuone's attention.
[hirohiigo] Fujii plays ibisha lately, doesn't he?
[nutaboutit] Will anyone ever beat Habu-san in Ouza-sen? The guy is unstoppable.
[takodori] Fujii is entitled this year. but...
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[nutaboutit] Yup Double Anaguma
[takodori] Fukaura looks like he's going to choose Anaguma.
[takodori] As predicted...
[nutaboutit] Will we see an exciting new attack from Fukaura?
[takodori] Hirose is going his way.
[nutaboutit] Mino??
[kkr5015] OH SNAP@!
[takodori] Oh, Fukaura chose left Mino.
[nutaboutit] Oh dear..
[nutaboutit] Is this a good idea?
[hirohiigo] Why not left anaguma? Now his castle isn't as strong.
[nutaboutit] As gin-kamuri
[kkr5015] silver crown i guess
[nutaboutit] Ah*
[takodori] I think Fukaura is making Silver Crown Castle.
[hirohiigo] Oh I see.
[takodori] Silver Crown is another popular strategy against Shikinbisha + Anaguma.
[takodori] I often choose it.
[nutaboutit] Well it's different than the previous games.
[nutaboutit] That's a good thing.
[kkr5015] did fukaura just play this on a whim or is silver crown better if you're gote?
[nutaboutit] Takodori-san said it's popular vs Shikenbisha+Anaguma.
[takodori] I'm not sure. But maybe he feels tired of double anaguma.
[nutaboutit] I'm pretty sure pros don't do things "on a whim"
[kkr5015] yes but why didn't he play it in the repetition game
[takodori] What do you mean by "on a whim". I don't understand it.
[kkr5015] "feels tired of double anaguma" is basically the same as doing it on a whim
[nutaboutit] If we knew kkr.. we could be pros. :)
[kkr5015] doing it on a whim
[takodori] I see.
[kkr5015] means not having a solid reason
[kkr5015] just based on feel
[hirohiigo] "on a whim" means arbitrarily.
[takodori] Anysawy Hirose's anaguma is complete.
[kkr5015] or based on a feeling
[nutaboutit] いきなりする
[kkr5015] yea i was just wondering if there was any strategic reason to choose silver crown as gote but anaguma an sente
[nutaboutit] well anaguma as sente is obv
[takodori] Which vanguard pawn Fukaura advance, 1st or 2nd file is question.
[nutaboutit] with gin kamuri you can easily attack anaguma's weak spots
[nutaboutit] At 1g and 2g
[kkr5015] why is it obvious for sente
[takodori] Yes, and in the endgame, The King can often escape to his upper space.
[nutaboutit] the other castles are usually too weak.. although i have seen double gin-kamuri
[kkr5015] oh you mean hirose?
[kkr5015] i meant fukaura
[nutaboutit] yes sente is hirose
[nutaboutit] fukaura is gote
[kkr5015] sigh you're just not understanding me
[nutaboutit] ok then?
[kkr5015] basically i'm asking why fukaura changed strategies
[kkr5015] and since the only thing different
[nutaboutit] there can be many reasons
[kkr5015] is that he is now gote instead of sente
[kkr5015] i thought maybe that fact leads to some strategic reasoning
[nutaboutit] well fukaura plays ibisha
[takodori] I don't think playing Gote is not the reason to take Silver Crown.
[shigure] hi everyone
[nutaboutit] maybe he wants more attacking options?
[hirohiigo] Hi shigure.
[takodori] hi shigure.
[nutaboutit] and more escape room?
[hirohiigo] Did Fukaura win any double anaguma games this series?
[nutaboutit] thats the reason ud play gin-kamuri
[nutaboutit] 1
[takodori] 4th game.
[takodori] He won.
[shigure] oh that was at his hometown
[kkr5015] so isn't he kind of admitting that he's been making a mistake by playing anaguma in the other games?
[takodori] Yes, you remembered well
[nutaboutit] he probably knows though that double anaguma is Hirose's forte
[hirohiigo] It's not necessarily a mistake since he's beaten Hirose with anaguma.
[takodori] Maybe so, maybe not.
[nutaboutit] Hirose beat Habu with double anaguma to reach this title match
[shigure] i dont really understand why he doesnt choose rapid attack, it seems better. it worked for him too when he used it~
[hirohiigo] Also, they don't have much time in this game.
[takodori] shigure, you mean the 2nd game?
[nutaboutit] ah yes Sasebo.. my father lived there during his high school years
[hirohiigo] Since double anaguma is Hirose's forte, Fukaura might not want to play that joseki with so little time.
[nutaboutit] thats what my point was hirohiigo
[shigure] yea the 2nd game
[hirohiigo] I was backing up your point.
[nutaboutit] yes thank you
[takodori] Hirose is spending certain time to make the next move.
[kkr5015] hmmm yea i forgot their thinking time is less
[nutaboutit] P-4e?
[shigure] hmm hirose only loss in oui league came against satou, my guess is that satou adopted rapid attack. he likes to attack agressively afterall against anaguma.
[kkr5015] that could explain why he would play silver crown if he is more familiar with it
[takodori] The possible moves are ▲P-4e ▲R-3h ▲B-7g and so on.
[nutaboutit] I like P-4e as noted above :)
[nutaboutit] seems to be Hirose's style as well
[hirohiigo] Oh I've forgotten the R-3h strategy with anaguma.
[nutaboutit] he likes advanced pawns in those kinds of positions
[nutaboutit] ooh yeah could be..
[nutaboutit] ドキドキ
[takodori] Their thinkigng time before the rematch is 2 hours and 2 minutes for Hirose and 2 hours and 25 minutes for Fukaura.
[takodori] They are based on the consumption of last game.
[nutaboutit] Not a lot of time.
[nutaboutit] This is turning into like.. a chess match.
[kkr5015] ?
[nutaboutit] You don't get a lot of time in chess matches.
[takodori] But what'd happen if fischer mode?
[kkr5015] how much do they get for the world champiosnships
[nutaboutit] I think only 4 hours
[takodori] thinking time can increase.
[nutaboutit] Yes they have time addon
[hirohiigo] Isn't Fischer time unpopular in chess?
[nutaboutit] What's Fischer time?
[hirohiigo] Where you add time at the end of each move.
[nutaboutit] oh yeah
[nutaboutit] they do that in some tournaments
[nutaboutit] The US Women's Championship held last month had time increments
[hirohiigo] Oh, Fukaura isn't doing very well in B1 Class...
[kkr5015] snap
[nutaboutit] R-3h!
[takodori] Hirose's choice was R-3h.
[hirohiigo] Wow.
[hirohiigo] This game will be exciting.
[takodori] I think Fukaura advance Rook Pawn to 8e.
[hirohiigo] Fukaura currently has 1 win and 4 losses in B1 Class.
[nutaboutit] Ouch for Fukaura-san
[kkr5015] yamasaki is undefeated right?
[hirohiigo] Yes.
[takodori] If he has a Pawn by Hirose's trading Rook pawn on 3rd file, then ▽P-8f ▲Px8f ▽P*8h would be a good attack.
[kkr5015] he's pretty funny
[hirohiigo] Would Hirose let him trade pawns, though?
[nutaboutit] Isn't there a bishop on 8h?
[kkr5015] i assumed he meant 8g
[nutaboutit] And Fukaura's pawn is on 8d?
[takodori] He opened his Bishop diagonal line.
[takodori] Fukaura can enter into hostilities to offer Bihsop trade by ▽P-4e after advancing his Rook pawn anytime.
[kkr5015] G4c next?
[nutaboutit] P-8e?
[takodori] Both moves are possible.
[Karthum] Hi all! :)
[takodori] hi.
[kkr5015] hello
[nutaboutit] Guten tag
[shigure] hi karthum~
[hirohiigo] Hi Karthum.
[takodori] i guess still guten morgen
[nutaboutit] :D
[Karthum] Yes. Correct! 9 am in Germany.
[nutaboutit] For us in the USA it's guten.. uh... uh...
[nutaboutit] I don't remember :'(
[shogi-ryu] guten morgen Karthum
[takodori] 6th game ended with Sennichite.
[kit] 点
[takodori] So this is a reamtch exchanging trun to play.
[shigure] may i ask what happens if sennichite again?
[Karthum] replay again.
[takodori] I think they do the same routine.
[shigure] with 2 hours time?
[nutaboutit] With no time practically?
[Karthum] they have a minimum time.
[takodori] if the thinking time remains less than 2 hours, then plus 2 hours.
[nutaboutit] So they play until someone wins?
[takodori] that's what happened in 5th game.
[shigure] oh yes that is right
[kkr5015] do they replay the game like this for impasse?
[nutaboutit] Yes
[nutaboutit] ?
[hirohiigo] They replay it in case of any draws.
[kkr5015] right away?
[kkr5015] that has to suck
[nutaboutit] Hour break
[hirohiigo] After a short break.
[kkr5015] cuz impasse games are usually pretty long
[kkr5015] how awful that would be ugh
[nutaboutit] Just enough time to call in some awesome taiyaki and manjuu...
[nutaboutit] mmm anko..
[takodori] I think in case of impasse, remach will occur on another day.
[takodori] but mybe it's depending on the tournament.
[nutaboutit] Yeah I don't think the tournament wants the pros to look like zombies.
[takodori] In Meijin-sen, I clearly remembered the rematch due to impasse ocuurs on another day.
[shigure] next title match ouza has habu featuring again~
[takodori] Fukaura is spending certain time to make the next move.
[nutaboutit] Will anyone beat Habu in Ouza?
[hirohiigo] Was it Nakahara and Katou who kept making impasse over and over in Meijinsen?
[Karthum] Fukaura was much better in time at start of replay, wasn'T he?
[nutaboutit] Katou was definitely one of the players.
[takodori] 23 minutes longer time he had at the start of rematch.
[nutaboutit] That was the 7th game.. and he won his only Meijin title no?
[nutaboutit] Katou certainly has a great given name.. easy to write and remember. :D
[hirohiigo] Yes it was Nakahara who was playing.
[hirohiigo] That series lasted 10 games.
[takodori] Aono-9dan and Ouchi 9-dan came to the press room.
[takodori] Ouchi was famous for Anaguma.
[hirohiigo] I have the book Better Moves for Better Shogi by Aono 9-dan. It's a very good book.
[nutaboutit] Fukaura sure is taking his time.. although he had more time to begin with this may hurt him in the end.
[hirohiigo] Is Ouchi retired?
[shigure] is the book in japanese?
[nutaboutit] Although Hirose took some time too so he should be ok.
[hirohiigo] shigure: The copy I have is in both English and Japanese.
[takodori] Yes, he's retired this year.
[hirohiigo] Oh, okay. I was wondering why I couldn't find his name in the kishi list.
[shigure] is ouchi the teacher of suzuki?
[takodori] hu-huh, he took the downgrading points three times last C2 juni-sen.
[aaa] @hirohiigo what is kishi list?
[hirohiigo] aaa: http://www.shogi.or.jp/player/index.html
[hirohiigo] A list of all professional players (kishi) in the Japan Shogi Association.
[nutaboutit] So does anyone want to predict the next move?
[aaa] ok.
[nutaboutit] I say P-8e
[hirohiigo] You can also find a list of all female professionals (joryu kishi) here: http://www.shogi.or.jp/player/joryu.html
[aaa] is this a tournament?
[nutaboutit] Title match AAA
[Karthum] P-8e B7g N7c S5f maybe?
[aaa] is this real oui title?
[takodori] I guess ▽P-1e, advancing vanguard pawn on kingside edge.
[hirohiigo] Yes. Takodori is replaying the moves for us.
[hirohiigo] You can also see the game in the official site here: http://live.shogi.or.jp/oui/kifu/oui20100901_02r.html
[nutaboutit] But it's more fun to watch it here on this beautiful shogi client discussing it with great people. :)
[hirohiigo] I think 81 Dojo is a good replacement for the IRC channel.
[nutaboutit] Agreed.
[shigure] what about G5c :P
[hirohiigo] Maybe I should remove the chatrooms from the navbar on the site since they're no longer in use.
[shigure] 4c*
[takodori] shigure, maybe you mean G5b-4c?
[takodori] Possible of course.
[shigure] yes that is right
[shigure] it shows our different way of thinking ^.^
[hirohiigo] He'll want to do that eventually to avoid the chop drop later.
[takodori] Hirose seems out of the room. Fukaura think of the next move seriously. Photos are here. http://live10.shogi.or.jp/oui/camera/index.html
[Karthum] G4c kind of prevents future S*4a. But P-1e or P8e look better to me. You can play G4c later on as a waiting move.
[hirohiigo] I agree with Karthum.
[takodori] Oh, Hirose is back to the room now.
[nutaboutit] 残り時間は？
[shigure] cool this helps me understand things better (:
[takodori] 1:48 for hirose and 2:22 for Fukaura.
[takodori] The photos are updated every 60 seconds.
[shigure] i dont judge the situation too well but in previous game when they chose sennichite, which player was doing better?
[nutaboutit] ありがとうございます
[takodori] So please keep that page open.
[Karthum] sennichite usually means none is doing better. :P
[nutaboutit] Ah I wasn't sure if the time was correct,
[nutaboutit] Thank you Takodori-san.
[shigure] personally i felt hirose could have gone ahead to attack but maybe he rather played with black pieces and take less risks
[takodori] Nozuki 7-dan said "The moves Fukaura would like to make are G5b-4c, P-1e & P-2e. So he is thinking of which one should come first. The seuqence is important."
[nutaboutit] There goes my prediction. :)
[takodori] "If the sequence is different, then the dvelopment will go differently. He's trying to find the best sequence."
[nutaboutit] Shogi is so deep.
[nutaboutit] :D
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[takodori] Wow. P-7e!
[takodori] Fukaura suddenly entered into hostilities.
[nutaboutit] Is he thinking R-7b or?
[shigure] nuta got his P-8e right afterall ;)
[nutaboutit] I try my best shigure. :)
[takodori] One ideal variation for him is ▲Px7e ▽P-8f ▲Px8f ▽P-4e ▲S-6f ▽Px4f ▲Gx4f ▽P*7f
[shigure] hmm decline bishop exchange
[takodori] Fukaura is trying to be active. He's not shrinked at the pinch of losing his title.
[nutaboutit] Pawns sacrifices all over.. reminds me of the identical position Bishop Exchange jouseki
[shigure] yea nice to see fukaura that way
[nutaboutit] Exciting shogi.
[shigure] oh nuta are u playing your A class games?
[nutaboutit] um no :D
[nutaboutit] not yet :D
[shigure] i believe u know u have a loss by default?
[nutaboutit] nope
[nutaboutit] been busy with work
[takodori] One possible variation after ▽P-8f is like this; ▲Px8f ▽P-4e ▲Bx3c+ ▽Nx3c ▲P-3e ▽Px3e ▲P*3d ▽Sx3d ▲P*3f
[nutaboutit] haven't been paying attention
[takodori] Sente would like to the weakness of the head of the kNIght on 3c.
[takodori] since Gote's right Gold still stays on 5b .
[nutaboutit] That's clearly the aim of the Rook on 3h yes?
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[takodori] In the press room, the following varitions are examined.
[takodori] "▲Px8f ▽P-4e ▲R-8h ▽Bx7g+ ▲Nx7g (1)▽Px4f ▲Gx4f ▽N-3c ▲P-8e (2)▽B*5e ▲R-8g ▽Px4f ▲G-3g"
[takodori] Yokoyama 5-dan points out the following variation.
[nutaboutit] Will he do R-8h? To have to move the rook back and forth losing a few moves..
[takodori] ▲Px8f ▽P-4e (A)▲R-8h (B)▲Px4e ▽Bx7g+ ▲Nx7g ▽Rx8f ▲P-6d"
[takodori] Hirose's choice is ▲R-8h.
[nutaboutit] Bishop trade seems obvious.
[shigure] maybe it means that attack at 3rd file wont be so succesful?
[Karthum] why trade he bishops now? Px4f seems more natural!
[hirohiigo] He traded bishops.
[shigure] they like to complicate things up somehow
[hirohiigo] Out of curiosity, which piece sets does everyone use?
[shigure] 1 kanji for me
[Karthum] 1 kanjii
[nutaboutit] 2 kanji for me
[takodori] 1 kanji.
[hirohiigo] Oh, interesting bishop drop.
[nutaboutit] yay my 2 kanji pieces?
[hirohiigo] I use 2 kanji.
[nutaboutit] cant get anything better here in the USA
[nutaboutit] our koma are so awful :(
[shigure] same line as yokoyama predicted\
[shigure] wait are u referring to 81 dojo or piece set at home?
[hirohiigo] 81 dojo
[nutaboutit] LOL
[shigure] okay lol
[nutaboutit] i thought u were talking about our home pieces
[nutaboutit] haha
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[Karthum] now what? the bishop looks in trouble ....
[shigure] how will the attack continue? is it time for edgeside attack?
[nutaboutit] Karthum is right about the bishop.
[Karthum] would P3e be an option?
[nutaboutit] P-3e Px3e P*3f?
[shigure] seems reasonable
[Karthum] well. hirose will not take it for sure.
[nutaboutit] yeah
[takodori] How about ▽P-2e to make a room for the Bishop go there by way of 3c?
[nutaboutit] Would losing the 4f pawn be a bad thing?
[takodori] I don't think it so bad to lose it.
[Karthum] no. gold would be out of play on 4f.
[nutaboutit] Ah yes
[nutaboutit] I agree with Karthum
[nutaboutit] Plus it'd open up the 4th file for another drop later.
[shigure] i think G5b-4c can be played? but maybe fukaura chose to attack agressively so i dont know about that
[Karthum] P2e (takodoris suggetion) really looks interesting. P4g+ and P2f is a good attack later on.
[nutaboutit] Doesn't seem like the time to do that shigure?
[takodori] I think G5b-4c is also possible here.
[Karthum] what will black do now? his pieces look kind of stuck onm the left side as well.
[Karthum] so maybe white can play it slow.
[nutaboutit] Yeah tose pawns on the 2nd and 1st file will be advancing.
[Karthum] white seems to have 3 moves to prepare his final attack. i do not see much better for black than P87-8e-8d-8c+
[Karthum] and even this is not desicive due to Bx7g+
[takodori] ▽P*8f would be painful right after ▲P-8e.
[Karthum] ah. ok. so it is impossible anyways. you are right.
[nutaboutit] Yeah
[nutaboutit] So what does sente do?
[takodori] It's tough question to answer.
[takodori] That's whi Hirose is spenging time here , i guess.
[takodori] Oh., it's Fukura's turn.
[Karthum] we are thinking abou waht to fear for fukaura.
[nutaboutit] Must be reading through his attack preparation...
[aaa] @hirohiigo i use 1kanji 2kanji or hidetchi's international pieces
[nutaboutit] Gote's 1pawn in hand stops like all of sente's pieces from moving.
[takodori] hmmn, I don't see Hirose's good move from here.
[takodori] He woud like to activate his left Silver. But if it goes to 5f, then ▽P*7f would come later.
[nutaboutit] yeah thats what I meant by gote's 1 pawn in hand..
[Karthum] Probably he wants to play P7d to play P7c+ chase away the bishop
[takodori] ▲P-9f(meaning to make a space to ▲R-9g agains ▽P*8f after ▲P-8e).
[takodori] It's almost nothing.
[takodori] Katsumata 6-dan pointed out "What would happen if it went like ▽P*7f ▲Sx7f ▽N-3c(aiming for the next ▲▽N-4e & Nx5g+).
[takodori] In the press room, after the Katsmata's line of ▽N-3c, early escaping ▲G-3h is examined.
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[shigure] i was thinking if black doesnt go for P-7d,B-7c then B-6d seems okay thats why i chose G-5c
[shigure] B-6b*
[nutaboutit] i kina like takodorio's P-2e better
[nutaboutit] it kind of does 2 things at once
[nutaboutit] ooh
[takodori] Fukaura's choice was ▽P*7f, sacricifing a Pawn to invite Hirose's silver away from his King.
[takodori] ▲Sx7f was mandatory.
[shigure] i'm not too sure of takodori attacking line as in i'm not sure how it works out :o
[nutaboutit] if u put the bishop on 6b
[nutaboutit] sente can grab the 9i-1a diagonal
[nutaboutit] attack the gold?
[nutaboutit] on 3g?
[shigure] hmm so B-3c he doesnt intend to go 2d then
[shigure] well okay it does allow me to understand better on using my major pieces hmm
[nutaboutit] more sabaki shigure :)
[shigure] sabaki ends at middlegame for me :P
[takodori] Fukaura's remaining time getting less than Hirose's at 52nd move.
[takodori] 1:34 for Hirose while 1:23 for Fukaura.
[takodori] I think Fukaura leads the game since Hirose's right Silver is out of play.
[takodori] no, left SIlver.
[nutaboutit] I agree. Fukaura just has to ensure he doesn't get into time pressure.
[takodori] Let's compare Fukaura's Silver on 4d and Hirose's one on 7f.
[nutaboutit] The one of 7f is doing nothing.
[takodori] Which Silver works better now. It's cear.
[nutaboutit] After Silver advances to 4e there'll be a lot of pressure on Sente's castle.
[takodori] Maybe he would move his Silver from 7f to 5h.
[Karthum] S4d looks very risky. what about P5f now? hard to move the bishop and keep defending against B*7a ....
[shigure] what if P5f now? then B*7a?
[shigure] oops
[takodori] Just escaping to 6f.
[Karthum] B6f S6g ....
[shigure] basically bishop-rook trade is fine?
[nutaboutit] Bx5g?
[shigure] then B5g+
[Karthum] but white does not wan to trade silvers ....
[nutaboutit] S-4d is ok after that pawn sac on 7f
[takodori] How about ▲P-5f ▽B-6f ▲S-6g ▽Bx5g+ ▲B*7a ▽R-6b ▲Bx6b+ ▽Gx6b?
[nutaboutit] Seems good
[shigure] yea thinking of that~
[takodori] I think Hirose's Rook on 8g will not work in that variation.
[shigure] will it be N8e saving silver?
[Karthum] I do not like it. The dragon will be stronger than the horse afterwards.
[oneye] hi
[nutaboutit] Welcome Poland :)
[oneye] so official
[moshalas] hi to you too, oneye
[nutaboutit] Welcome oneye?
[moshalas] oh wait, was I meant to say Poland too?
[nutaboutit] no
[oneye] pfff just hi
[oneye] who cares
[shigure] hi oneye!
[moshalas] yeah, sounds good enough]
[nutaboutit] hola oneye
[oneye] let's look at boooaard
[moshalas] sure
[takodori] Then after ▲B*7a, neglecting it and ▲P-4g+?
[nutaboutit] for gote?
[shigure] seems okay and exciting
[oneye] <confused from the morning ==">
[takodori] But I don't think Hirose cannot allow Fukaura's Silver advancement liks ▽S-4e & ▽Sx3f, so it's the chance to do strong counterattack.
[nutaboutit] you guys are lucky its 1:50am here...
[oneye] i slept a lot
[oneye] maybe not enough vitamins lol
[nutaboutit] if he drops B*7a
[nutaboutit] would taking the silver be better?
[nutaboutit] id assume so
[oneye] aa this line lol
[oneye] shigure told me lol
[hirohiigo] Finally got my hands on Shogi Kifu for iPhone.
[shigure] is there shogi for nomal phones? :D
[shigure] normal*
[shigure] wow apple knows marketing :P
[oneye] but 5g? :P
[nutaboutit] There's finally a Shogi app for Android but..
[nutaboutit] It's extremely buggy.. I can't get the app to run with AI.
[hirohiigo] Other phones don't have great programmers like Yoshikazu Kakinoki working on their apps.
[nutaboutit] Well it just came out like a week ago.
[nutaboutit] So patience is a virtue.
[oneye] so... whgat ppl think about now
[nutaboutit] ?
[oneye] what variation..
[nutaboutit] looks like the predicted variations from the press room involve a lot of B*7a?
[nutaboutit] maybe like..
[nutaboutit] well no my variation would be favorable for sente
[nutaboutit] hmm
[shigure] just a general qn, who's for hirose and who's for fukaura or do we have many neutral fans here?
[takodori] Hirose is spending certain time. Maybe hi is thinking about strong counterattack from here.
[nutaboutit] hirose winning would be exciting for shogi
[shigure] same view :D
[nutaboutit] a big boost of confidence for the new 4-dan
[nutaboutit] and for hirose of course
[shigure] but hirose seems exceptional, like habu maybe
[oneye] sente neeed counter
[kkr5015] no one is like habu
[nutaboutit] oyama
[oneye] what we know anyway :P
[oneye] never met that people lol
[Karthum] sente neeeeds to lose o we can see more games! :p
[oneye] Karthum :P
[nutaboutit] isnt it tied?
[oneye] I hate this point of view lol
[shigure] i know that habu beat kubo and i feel sore about it!
[nutaboutit] well habu has a chance at eternal 7 crowns
[nutaboutit] thatd be cool
[oneye] and i care only about sente B now lol
[shigure] true but technically i dont care so much then to see kubo win another title
[hirohiigo] That's the only reason I'm rooting for Habu in Ryu-ou, even though Watanabe is my favorite player.
[nutaboutit] itd be nice if he did it.. you know like the ultimate accomplishment
[shigure] yea sure
[shigure] though he has another 10 years or so to try actually :P
[nutaboutit] sooner the better
[kkr5015] y only 10 years
[hirohiigo] I was thinking the same thing.
[nutaboutit] bc he'll be getting old then?
[hirohiigo] I don't see Habu getting any worse in 10 years.
[hirohiigo] Oyama played til his death.
[shigure] yea well if fukaura wins this its fine too. just as karthum likes (:
[nutaboutit] wait
[nutaboutit] wuts the score atm?
[shigure] but i see many players level of shogi degrading in their 50s is it true?
[kkr5015] 3-2 hirose
[hirohiigo] Hirose is up one game
[nutaboutit] oh rly?
[nutaboutit] i see
[hirohiigo] Oyama was still challenging titles in his 60s.
[shigure] so hirose needs 1 more win to be oui
[kkr5015] he is the exception though
[hirohiigo] Yes, but Habu is the same as Oyama.
[kkr5015] but i think habu will be another exception
[shigure] was he holding titles at 60s too?
[hirohiigo] You can't categorize him with everyone else.
[nutaboutit] oyama was out of his prime
[nutaboutit] young habu easily beat him
[nutaboutit] no he wasnt shigure
[hirohiigo] I don't think that means Oyama was getting weaker.
[shigure] hmm well okay i guess its possible then
[kkr5015] lol saying someone is out of their prime because they lost to habu lolololol
[hirohiigo] Habu is just incredible.
[nutaboutit] he was
[nutaboutit] kkr
[kkr5015] sure he probably was
[kkr5015] BUT
[hirohiigo] If I remember correctly, Habu also defeated top players such as Nakahara, Katou, and Tanigawa that year.
[kkr5015] saying he lost to habu
[shigure] so thats why i rather kubo challenge ryuou this year. he wont get the chance as often as habu :P
[kkr5015] and thats your proof
[kkr5015] LOL
[nutaboutit] kkr habu was like.. what 17 18/'
[nutaboutit] ?
[kkr5015] so what?
[hirohiigo] I think he was a 5-dan.
[nutaboutit] so what he was just a kid
[hirohiigo] Maybe 6.
[nutaboutit] 5
[kkr5015] who cares
[nutaboutit] dont be rude kkr
[kkr5015] why does that matter at all?
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[nutaboutit] it was just an example
[kkr5015] a bad one
[shigure] i waiting to see if someone will break habu record to be the youngest to win a title XD
[nutaboutit] learn some tact young man
[moshalas] the experience of the game matters, along with everything connecting to it. no matter how bad it may be.
[kkr5015] tact?
[shigure] habu won at 19 i see
[oneye] ok, i should sleep more
[nutaboutit] yes tact
[oneye] wasting my time here =="
[kkr5015] i should tell you you're wrong in a nicer way?
[shigure] yea i guess
[kkr5015] i'm sorry i hurt your feelings old man
[nutaboutit] you should just watch what u say
[Hidetchi] Hey guys
[shigure] cmon guys just bury the hatchet already!
[Hidetchi] Good....morning
[shigure] hi hidetchi~
[kkr5015] lol :)
[moshalas] good evening/morning/afternoon
[shigure] oh yea ur in US
[oneye] HIdetchi
[Karthum] Hello Hidetchi!
[nutaboutit] good middle of the night hidetchi
[hirohiigo] Hi Hidetchi.
[shigure] what time is michigan now hmm
[Hidetchi] Why the players not Fukaura and Hirose?
[nutaboutit] 5:11
[shigure] wow i see
[hirohiigo] I should be getting to bed soon... but I want to see the end of this match.
[takodori] It's a rematch due to repetition againa.
[shigure] hmm i'm not sure is it takodori or hirohiigo who set this up?
[hirohiigo] Michigan is in central time, isn't it?
[nutaboutit] um
[hirohiigo] Takodori set it up.
[takodori] I couldn 't reverse the turn to play.
[nutaboutit] i think its eastern
[Hidetchi] Repetition!!
[takodori] That's why I created these accounts.
[Hidetchi] OK
[hirohiigo] Oh, only a little bit of michigan is in central.
[shigure] how about the hirose in our lobby?
[Hidetchi] I think the player who challenged becomes black.
[hirohiigo] It's usually random, isn't it?
[Hidetchi] So, you should create game as Fukaura and challenge as Hirose.
[takodori] Oh, really.
[Hidetchi] Or the oposite.
[Hidetchi] I forgot which was which.
[oneye] to it isn't random!
[oneye] aa!
[oneye] lol
[nutaboutit] well i challenged hirohiigo
[takodori] And the hirose gohst remains in the lobby after I logout.
[nutaboutit] and i was sente
[Hidetchi] OK
[takodori] And I could not loing again under hirose.
[shigure] well if u have played before it might be different
[takodori] That's another reason to create these accounts.
[shigure] i believe it switches every time u play
[Hidetchi] OK,
[nutaboutit] itd be cool if we could grab the pieces and furigoma them :D
[Hidetchi] Maybe hirose is keep playing the game on the server...
[nutaboutit] Wow.. Hirose is so cool.. he continues to play on 81-Dojo even when he's not here!
[hirohiigo] Hidetchi, I managed to get Shogi Kifu for iPhone on my iPod Touch. Thanks for your video about it, it's a great app.
[Hidetchi] Well we can leave this as it is for today.
[Hidetchi] Thanks for doing this, takodori-san.
[nutaboutit] he moved his silver to 7f and back
[takodori] don't mention it.
[Hidetchi] I'll try to make it easier to do this.
[takodori] Two moves profeeded.
[oneye] <sleeps>
[takodori] proceeded.
[Hidetchi] I'll make a client for easily setting up a boardlive at 81Dojo.
[Hidetchi] If it works even automatically, that would be great.
[nutaboutit] That's be excellent.
[nutaboutit] That'd*
[moshalas] good to know
[shigure] yay keep it up!
[hirohiigo] That would be great.
[shigure] S-6g looks balanced i guess, to try to activate idling silver
[oneye] noo ther move :P
[Hidetchi] It seems the ghosts are not here anymore.
[nutaboutit] Good.. I was getting scared of them. :)
[takodori] uh-huh.
[nutaboutit] hehe
[Hidetchi] I could login with Hirose
[oneye] B* maybe~
[nutaboutit] B*7a has lost a bit of its power now that the silver has moved to 4e
[Hidetchi] S-4e looks good.
[Karthum] S5f now?
[oneye] to promote at 2f and defend..
[nutaboutit] Yeah I saw that oneye.
[oneye] you saw and ...
[oneye] think it is passive?
[nutaboutit] And R-6b?
[oneye] S up..
[Hidetchi] After S-5f, what about Sx5f Px5f S*7h?
[oneye] Sx.. Px B move..
[oneye] 7h not look good
[nutaboutit] oh well i was thinking u meant now
[oneye] now now.
[oneye] but maybe S up.. not bad..
[Hidetchi] Against S*7h, you just take the bishop, then?
[oneye] yes.
[hirohiigo] Okay I'm going to go to bed.
[oneye] nitee
[nutaboutit] gn hiro
[Hidetchi] Yeah, you have nice B & S drops later on...
[hirohiigo] Good night, everyone.
[nutaboutit] yeah that rook isnt doing anything rly..
[Hidetchi] Anaguma is strong.
[takodori] good night
[Hidetchi] You're right, oneye.
[oneye] S up looks too agressive for me..
[oneye] so i think about B*..
[Hidetchi] No wonder you beat Shourekikai player 2 times!
[oneye] ...
[oneye] luck.
[nutaboutit] you beat xia...
[oneye] luck luck luck
[nutaboutit] um yeah that guy's name?
[oneye] Zhang Xin
[nutaboutit] doesn't matter if its luck.. I beat Karthum by luck :)
[oneye] i wanted to leave computer for week and train shogi but lol
[Karthum] S5f Sx5f Pxf5 B6f and sac on 3i afterwards maybe.
[oneye] did it only 2-3 days lol
[oneye] problem is i think
[oneye] that he can leave B and take
[oneye] 3f pawn
[mstrategic] hi all, what's this, a professional game?
[nutaboutit] yes
[oneye] but ye
[Karthum] @oneye: Sx3f is not so powerful. P*4h is a strong defense.
[oneye] 6f B looks strong
[oneye] mhm
[oneye] 6f.
[Karthum] If S5f: should white take it or move B6f directly?
[oneye] take
[mstrategic] b@6f, just take and drop no?
[kkr5015] make the pawn move to 5f?
[oneye] sabaki
[oneye] what about P5f
[oneye] i don't like it so much :P
[Karthum] P5f looks useless? blocks the own silver and B4d is ok fpr white.
[Hidetchi] Takodori, let me inform that you can also use Yoshiharu_HABU and Takeshi_FUJII for 9/9 Ouza-sen. (lol)
[nutaboutit] S-5f it is
[Hidetchi] You can login with the same password.
[oneye] yes B4d
[oneye] aaaaaaa
[oneye] wow
[oneye] lol
[oneye] he believes in his anaguma lol
[Karthum] most natural move. exchnge ile piece for strong attacker.
[Karthum] ile = idle
[oneye] true.
[takodori] ▲B*7a▽R-7b▲B-2f+ (1)▽Rx7e ▲P:7f ▽P-2e ▲+B-3g ▽R-7a ▲P-5f (2) P-3e was examined in the press room.
[takodori] But Hirose offered Silver trade.
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[oneye] uf
[nutaboutit] Yeah.. trying to clear that strong silver off the board.
[mstrategic] is takes 5f, then silver drop to 7f an idea?
[oneye] moving B
[Karthum] Now B6f to activate the knight?
[mstrategic] never mind
[nutaboutit] no mr
[oneye] this N is kinda defender..
[nutaboutit] err ms
[oneye] ic he want to ex first
[oneye] and then drop B maybe
[nutaboutit] And defend with B-2f+?
[Hidetchi] B-6f at this position seems good too
[oneye] ye and defend...
[oneye] or continue attacking
[oneye] have to count
[takodori] "It's normal to go like ▽Sx5f ▲Px5f ▽B-6f. It's somewhat horrible since Gote's Pawn existe on 4f. "
[oneye] ye pawn is amazing lol
[oneye] B6f P*?
[oneye] <hum>
[takodori] you mean P:4h?
[takodori] P*4h?
[nutaboutit] thats wut i was thinking
[Karthum] In case of P*4h Sx7h will be an ption.
[oneye] 4h ye
[oneye] Ss are in hands
[oneye] ..
[oneye] S*7h you mean :P
[kkr5015] think he meant S8
[kkr5015] S*
[Karthum] Yeah. S*7h.
[oneye] sure.
[nutaboutit] maybe im wrong but doesnt dropping a S at 7h kinda feel like dropping it to a non-issue point?
[Hidetchi] Why not B-6f, without taking the silver?
[oneye] why not..
[Karthum] @hidetchi: hard to tell if Bishop drops later on will be a problem.
[Karthum] inderectly protecting 5g and 7g
[takodori] Yokoyama 5-dan pointed out "▽Sx5f ▲Px5f ▽B-6f ▲N-8e". Then taking a Lanceon 9i or G5b-4c would be a question.
[oneye] ye N up..
[oneye] haven't thought one move farer lol
[oneye] not to take ance because of ...
[oneye] hum
[Karthum] taking lance seems strange.
[takodori] ▲N-8e made the Rook work better horizontally.
[oneye] sure
[oneye] but what if BxL
[takodori] I could go to 3g.
[nutaboutit] Sx5f
[oneye] ym.
[oneye] N up looks natural..
[oneye] and now..
[Karthum] what aout G5a?
[oneye] huh?
[Hidetchi] Nice.
[oneye] uh.
[nutaboutit] G-5a...
[oneye] what what
[shigure] allow rook to swing to 4b?
[oneye] really?
[takodori] Preventing possible S*4a and making it possible to transfer his Rook to 4th file.
[oneye] wow.
[Karthum] looks a bit strange but defends 4a and rook can be developed very strong to 4b.
[oneye] nice
[Hidetchi] But P*4h is great defense.
[shigure] yup nice karthum
[barbapappa] Hello is this the game?
[nutaboutit] yes
[shigure] hi barba yea indeed
[barbapappa] who is sente?
[nutaboutit] hirose
[oneye] but 5a..
[oneye] never saw such a move lol
[Karthum] just a question? S*7h will kill the rook, will it not? is this good?
[Hidetchi] What happens if S*7h?
[oneye] ym.
[Hidetchi] Maybe B*7g then?
[shigure] would G5a entice S*5c for example to prevent rook move and to attack near the camp?
[oneye] too much questions lol
[shigure] sorry my question later
[oneye] 5c looks lazy but who knows lol
[oneye] 7h..
[oneye] 3g?
[oneye] but..
[oneye] N..
[Karthum] @shigure: S*5g is not good. it blocks a potential B*7a and might be attacked by Bx7e
[mstrategic] hidetchi, you guys have done really well with the interface, much nicer than 24
[takodori] ▲R-3g, then the dropped S*7h will never work.
[oneye] N4e?
[mstrategic] just FYI, but there's a broken link once you sign up, still points to the test dojo
[nutaboutit] the rook is a goner regardless
[oneye] ~2e
[oneye] but 7h
[oneye] looks passive
[shigure] if S*7h, then how about B*7g?
[oneye] there have to be counterattack
[Karthum] @takodori: in case of a later P*4h S-6g+ is only one move away from the battlfield.
[oneye] 8g?
[nutaboutit] therook?
[oneye] my cat is sleepinmg peacefully lol.
[oneye] and i almost lay on this poor creature lol
[Karthum] she is still sleepy from eating all the chinchillas?
[nutaboutit] meanie
[shigure] @karthum B87a could still exist maybe but less effective. thanks for pointing out the options
[oneye] he is good cat and not eat chinchillas
[shigure] B*7a
[takodori] Nozuki 7-dan said "It's a bigger deal to make the Rook work freely than losin a Lance on 9i."
[Karthum] @shigure: Then R7b and bishop would be dead with the silver on 5c.
[oneye] sure.
[oneye] <yawns>
[moudamepo] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[nutaboutit] the comments think.. Bx9i+?
[oneye] tell me
[oneye] it is... first day of game..
[oneye] of what,..
[mstrategic] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[Hidetchi] Yeah, the rook can run to 3g.
[oneye] or*
[Karthum] OK. S*7h R3g N4e B*7g
[Hidetchi] N-4e/2e is met by B*7g then.
[oneye] sure.
[oneye] nice ^^"
[oneye] so.
[nutaboutit] they seem to think Bx9i+...
[shigure] oh yea karthum i meant promoting S to 4d first but i guess it still doesnt look good
[Hidetchi] So I guess Bx6f+ after all...
[oneye] laancee...
[Hidetchi] I meant Bx9i+
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[oneye] if we have lance
[oneye] we can maybe double the pressure in 4th line..
[oneye] file line?
[Hidetchi] Taking control of the diagonal with the horse.
[nutaboutit] yup
[oneye] whatever
[oneye] and we have horse..
[oneye] now what can sente do..
[oneye] oho.
[Hidetchi] Proverb, "Material profit won't betray you."
[nutaboutit] yeah they predicted this in the comments
[Karthum] I still like G5a .....
[oneye] wow, nice proverb
[oneye] 5a now..
[oneye] ts.
[nutaboutit] Capitalism at its best!
[ottfoekst] Morishita 9-dan said this, I think
[oneye] ..
[takodori] ▽L*7a! It's like a Fukaura's move.
[Hidetchi] So this was the plan. I thought about it.
[oneye] i haven't
[oneye] but looks interesting
[Karthum] not a move i would like to play. (but probably very strong.)
[Hidetchi] Take advantage of material profit, slowly making it better position with the horse.
[oneye] ah. ic
[oneye] smart.
[nutaboutit] さすが深浦さん
[Karthum] defending against P7c+ and B*7a at one time.
[oneye] no idea what it means
[Hidetchi] It prevents B*7i too. So maybe his horse can now move out of the diagonal.
[oneye] sure..
[oneye] but P+..
[nutaboutit] He can still drop on 7a
[Karthum] Exchnging knights is good for white i suppose.
[nutaboutit] but he'll have to sac the pawn
[takodori] How about ▲B*4f ▽S+4e ▲B-2f ▽R-7b ▲P-7c+ ▽Nx7c ▲S*6a?
[nutaboutit] and what karthum said
[takodori] Sorry. B*3g in the first.
[oneye] S*?
[takodori] S*, yeah.
[oneye] what about
[oneye] P55
[oneye] ..
[oneye] no.
[oneye] lol
[takodori] Oh, yes. Forget about it.
[oneye] forget
[nutaboutit] hehe oneye
[oneye] just take 4f :P
[nutaboutit] chop drop
[nutaboutit] hmm
[oneye] 4b?
[Karthum] ignore it or G4b?
[oneye] ignore?..
[Hidetchi] G4b Sx3b Gx3b will make rook's way to 4b
[oneye] ts.
[oneye] yes.
[sauges] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] but he wants ...
[oneye] B*5c maybe..
[nutaboutit] ooh B*5c..
[takodori] After ▽Gx3b, ▲B*5c prevents Rook trransfer to 4b and threatning to take the Lance on 7a.
[oneye] yes
[nutaboutit] dont run from a fork?
[Karthum] Lx7d then and in case of B7a+ just R4b
[takodori] I think Hirose
[takodori] I think Hirose leads the game now.
[oneye] sente?
[nutaboutit] he managed to trade his bad silver for a good one
[Hidetchi] Yeah... Rook(8g)'s defense is excellent...
[oneye] that L* for me was strange :P
[oneye] but if it was for improving position..
[nutaboutit] that rook was useless until about 3 moves ago
[takodori] P*7e after Lx7d, then?
[oneye] 7e?
[nutaboutit] its like magic how it suddenly became useful
[oneye] nah
[oneye] he thought about it many moves before
[nutaboutit] shh its like magic oneye
[nutaboutit] magic.. :P
[Hidetchi] How about P*7f, after P*7e.
[nutaboutit] And B*5c?
[oneye] 5c
[oneye] or P+..
[Karthum] P*7e is really slow. so white can think about a good counter.
[nutaboutit] or P-6d
[oneye] wow.
[oneye] magic lol
[nutaboutit] lol yes magic!
[oneye] almost lay on cat again lol
[takodori] Hirose would like to transfer his Rook to 6th file to keep initiative.
[Karthum] pro move. i always forget about these "meaningless" sacs. :P
[oneye] ""
[Hidetchi] Well, let's drop the silver to 7f after all...
[nutaboutit] 魔法使い広瀬さんですか。
[nutaboutit] His new nickname?
[nutaboutit] :D
[takodori] S*7f to take the Rook?
[Hidetchi] Yeah...
[oneye] 3g?
[ottfoekst] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] .
[takodori] Not ▲B*7g after ▲R-3g ▽N-4e, different from ▽S*7h
[takodori] No B*7g would exist.
[oneye] but..
[oneye] 5g isn't protected..
[oneye] and vstill
[oneye] maybe there is an counter :P
[Hidetchi] Yeah, this time the Rook can't run to 8i, so.
[takodori] Wow, that sacrificing is suscessful.
[oneye] 5c..
[nutaboutit] :D
[oneye] aha what a funny fork
[nutaboutit] this is looking bad for Fukaura
[takodori] I see. ▲Bx6d+ will be possible if ▽Lx7d
[oneye] mhm
[oneye] it's possible without Lx too lol
[Hidetchi] I can't believe the pawn sac worked...
[takodori] me too.
[Hidetchi] I would ignore.
[nutaboutit] Wow they haven't updated the time since move 52
[oneye] this are the moves
[oneye] that pro feels and we not
[oneye] :P
[oneye] yes
[oneye]
[oneye] this pawn
[takodori] hmmn, Hirose is making it?
[Hidetchi] What a great pawn drop.
[oneye] Gx will be bad shape.
[oneye] and ignoring is a good attack for sente
[oneye] i thougth about it
[Hidetchi] Now if bishop promotes to 4d, and then take 4f pawn...
[takodori] Fukaura canno take the Pawn on 7d since P-4b+ will be severe.
[Hidetchi] 6d
[nutaboutit] hmm is Fukaura rueing his decision to not go anaguma?
[nutaboutit] Since he never extended on the 1st and 2nd file he has no pressure on Hirose's anaguma'
[nutaboutit] and less room to run
[oneye] maybe he had no time
[oneye] <haven't seen opening>
[barbapappa] what score do the computer give this position?
[Hidetchi] I'm getting sleepy agiain.
[nutaboutit] he did at one point
[oneye] nooo! don't give up hide lol
[Hidetchi] I should sleep before I go to work. Hope Fukaura hangs in there...
[nutaboutit] あきらめない!
[nutaboutit] :)
[Hidetchi] あきらめた
[nutaboutit] :(
[nutaboutit] Good night then Hidetchi-san
[oneye] byee
[Hidetchi] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] what can fukuara do..
[takodori] Yokoyama 5-dan said, Sacrificing ▲P-6d was a brilliant move. If Gote had to take it, Hirose fairly leads the game.
[oneye] yes!
[oneye] i learned something today morning
[oneye] good that i woke up lol
[nutaboutit] Fukaura is just.. as thegame progresses his initiatives to mate are just way up there.
[nutaboutit] Dunno how he'll catch up.. esp with Hirose in anaguma
[oneye] repetition! haha
[oneye] oh.
[oneye] sure he had to drop something
[takodori] This is Fukaura's move. He is tough.
[oneye] but here.
[oneye] 6d?
[barbapappa] is this the final game?
[kkr5015] maybe
[nutaboutit] if hirose wins yes
[takodori] it's the 6th gane of best of seven match.
[oneye] P+7c..
[kit] Noone can come back from this position I think
[takodori] Before the game, Hirose led the score in 3-2.
[takodori] If you win the game, he will be a new Oui.
[takodori] If Fukaura win it, the score will be tied and another game will occur.
[nutaboutit] A 5-dan Oui
[nutaboutit] Cool
[takodori] 6-dan now.
[oneye] 7c+?
[oneye] what time is it argh
[nutaboutit] Oh? My apologies to Hirose 6-dan then
[oneye] have to order some books already =="
[kkr5015] i think you get 6-dan if you challenge for a title so he just got it
[nutaboutit] P-7c+?
[nutaboutit] he can even elim that pawn on 4f although thatd be super slow probably
[takodori] I think ▲R-6g, let Gote drop a Pawn on 6f. then ▲P*4d would be severe.
[oneye] hum.
[takodori] But ▽S*5h would exist for ▲R-6g.
[takodori] Hmmn
[oneye] P+? :P
[nutaboutit] Need.. to download.. pro shogi move reading skills.. into brain...
[oneye] need to learn them in my way lol
[takodori] Up to 65th move, remaining time for Hirose was 35 minutes and 60 minutes for Fukaura.
[barbapappa] I thinkn p 3e
[nutaboutit] traded everything
[oneye] 6e N,.
[oneye] no,.
[oneye] just taek
[oneye] back rank?
[oneye] o.
[oneye] true
[takodori] I see. Gote will have to drop a Pawn on 6f.
[oneye] and what ext.
[takodori] Then R-6i +B-7g P*4d.
[oneye] 4d plan?
[oneye] oo 6i
[oneye] i always miss such a moves :P
[takodori] Hirose is really making it.
[nutaboutit] This is Shogi. At one point we were asking, "What can Sente do?" and now we're asking, "What can Gote do?"
[oneye] go Hirosee
[oneye] sure
[oneye] and this is why i love this game lol
[nutaboutit] So awesome.
[oneye] full of magic
[barbapappa] almost as good as robot unicorn attack
[nutaboutit] ...
[nutaboutit] *sends barba away damned to listen to Erasure songs for eternity*
[nutaboutit] lol
[oneye] how to order habu no zuno lol
[kkr5015] amazon
[nutaboutit] P*4d inc as Takodori-san predicted?
[kkr5015] you have to search for it in japanese though. and buy it in yen.
[oneye] impossible then
[kkr5015] well i'm sure if you use a credit card they'll just do the exchange rate
[oneye] friend said he can order from libriary in tokyo some books
[oneye] maybe this way..
[kkr5015] if you can't type in japanese i can i can type it in for you
[nutaboutit] Does oneye ever have a card?
[nutaboutit] even*
[oneye] i can type but can't understand lol
[oneye] some card i have but don't know
[oneye] if can pay on amazon and if in yens
[nutaboutit] shipping
[takodori] Making a floating piece by sacrificing a Pawn, then Rook drop is good.
[nutaboutit] will be oodles of fun
[nutaboutit] Rx4a?
[nutaboutit] *
[nutaboutit] yup
[oneye] natural
[takodori] Hirose made a textbook attack at the moment.
[oneye] :D
[Karthum] P4g+ or P6g+?
[kkr5015] http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_ja_JP=%83J%83%5E%83J%83i&url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=%89H%90%B6%82%CC%93%AA%94%5D&x=0&y=0
[takodori] P-4g+ I think.
[barbapappa] ya p4g
[oneye] and.. what
[nutaboutit] 6g..
[takodori] to connect with the Silver on 4d.
[oneye] ah.
[takodori] THis is Fukaura's move.
[oneye] 4c pawn
[nutaboutit] A $10 book
[takodori] He is tough when he allow his opponent to lead the game.
[nutaboutit] yes P*4c
[oneye] S back.
[shigure] i wonder why he does not do so well in B class :S
[Karthum] P*4c S*5b?
[nutaboutit] hmm
[oneye] um
[takodori] That'e everybody wornder why, Shigure.
[kkr5015] variance
[oneye] brb
[shigure] btw thanks for your comments at my post at 81SU (:
[barbapappa] both in byoyomi?
[nutaboutit] N*5e!
[oneye] Oo
[takodori] Hirose would like to take a Silver on 4d.
[oneye] ah to get ye
[oneye] nice...
[Karthum] P4g+ now?
[oneye] ym.
[oneye] 4c+ looks..
[oneye] nothing, have to take a shwoer :P
[oneye] brb :P
[barbapappa] take it!
[barbapappa] then take 5f
[nutaboutit] ooh
[Karthum] good move. B*7d is strong.
[Hidetchi] Ok, so I can't sleep after all...
[nutaboutit] :)
[takodori] *=9
[takodori] Hirose is almost making it.
[barbapappa] are you all cheering for him?
[Hidetchi] We're going to see a new young title holder!!!
[nutaboutit] yay
[Hidetchi] I wanted a full-set match, though
[Hidetchi] I'll make automatic boardlive robot for 81Dojo this weekend.
[Hidetchi] Hopefull you'll have boardlive of Ouza-sen on 9/9 too
[takodori] THis weekend, during your stay in US?
[Hidetchi] Yeah, maybe it's possible.
[takodori] Oh, man.
[nutaboutit] Hidetchi is coming to the US?
[takodori] He is now in US>
[takodori] Detroit, I think.
[nutaboutit] Aww Detroit.. for Toyota?
[Hidetchi] Why Toyota?
[nutaboutit] Or cars?
[Hidetchi] Why cars???
[nutaboutit] Because it's Detroit?
[Hidetchi] Hmmm. Good guess!
[takodori] ▽P-4g+ ▲+R-8b ▽+Px3h ▲S*2b
[Hidetchi] But I'll keep it a secret :)
[takodori] I predicted.
[nutaboutit] That's about the only reason anyone goes to Detroit. :)
[nutaboutit] :) Sorry about that Hidetchi.
[Karthum] P4g+ +R8b P*4b
[takodori] then +Rx4b!
[Karthum] ok. nonsense. Rook can take it ....
[Karthum] P4g+ +R8b N*2b
[yakyuu] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[barbapappa] s2b gg
[oneye] b
[shigure] oh yea is the watchers list meant to reflect only people who have come into the room? i mean it wouldnt change at all after that
[oneye] if you find a good move search for a better :P
[oneye] like this proverb lol
[Hidetchi] It changes once in 30sec
[takodori] +R-8b N*5b
[takodori] hmmn
[Hidetchi] Not so easy.
[Karthum] N*2b looks better than N*5b, doesn't it?
[Hidetchi] It's "Silver-crowns's sub-room."
[Hidetchi] The 1c square, in this case.
[oneye] mhm
[oneye] sub room
[Hidetchi] Hard to approach.
[nutaboutit] what a pain it is to mate that king
[nutaboutit] push a pawn and he can run away there too
[oneye] hello cat
[Karthum] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] watching match with me?
[oneye] ok
[oneye] what move you think about?
[nutaboutit] oneye
[nutaboutit] Are you talking to your cat on here?
[oneye] sure lol
[barbapappa] cat is what some americans call dudes
[oneye] he can read not listen lol
[nutaboutit] he took the tokin..
[Hidetchi] Oh!
[Hidetchi] He's thinking about D-4a?
[oneye] oh, sure,
[nutaboutit] ooh
[takodori] D-4a wouldn't work. Taking the Gold on 3b will make a space on 2c.
[Hidetchi] Yeah. Another sub-room. (lol)
[oneye] hum
[nutaboutit] *thinks about going gin kamuri in future games*
[nutaboutit] :)
[takodori] In the press room, After Bx4g+, L*4i +Bx6i L-4c+
[takodori] then Wnte would win the game.
[oneye] mhm
[oneye] o no@
[oneye] lol
[nutaboutit] Another subroom
[takodori] Wow, ▽P-2e, this is Fukaura.
[oneye] we like this word today lol
[oneye] sub room lol
[Hidetchi] It's sub-sub room.
[oneye] :D:D:D:D
[nutaboutit] I don't think I've ever said the word subroom before lol
[oneye] shogi is so funny lol
[takodori] Wow, gpsshogi value is almost evven now.
[takodori] even*
[oneye] ^^"
[nutaboutit] Back and forth game.
[oneye] ~magic~
[oneye] 13...
[nutaboutit] Yes magic,
[oneye] no idea what now
[oneye] Gx1a?
[nutaboutit] *wishes he was a fly on the wall in that room*
[takodori] The remaining time for Hirose is 20 minutes and 33 minutes for Fukaura.
[moshalas] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[nutaboutit] So..
[tofuya] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[nutaboutit] This game is just way over my head
[oneye] o.
[oneye] G up
[oneye] sure, going down won't work
[oneye] attacks sub sub room :P
[oneye] ok have to go for sister :P
[oneye] cu later
[nutaboutit] bye
[oneye] will leave this window open.,,
[takodori] One variation would be ▲+R-8b ▽P*4e ▲S*8b ▽K-2d ▲+Rx3b ▽Sx3b ▲G*3e ▽Px3e ▲Gx3e ▽K-2c ▲L*2d ▽K-1b ▲Gx1a(mate)
[takodori] But what if Gote dropped a Pawn on 4e now?
[nutaboutit] hmm
[nutaboutit] やっぱり
[takodori] Fukaura dropped a Pawn on 4e.
[nutaboutit] hmm well
[Hidetchi] Wow! G-4f! I thought about it.
[nutaboutit] what now though?
[takodori] Fukauras King would be hard to trap.
[moshalas] An attempted check with the Bishop leads to a rather easy drop on 3e
[takodori] How about ▲+R-8b ▽Px4f ▲+Rx7c ▽B-4g+ ▲+Rx3c ▽Gx3c ▲S*2b ▽K-2d ▲N*1f ▽K-1e ▲Sx3c+?
[nutaboutit] this is prolly a silly suggestion but L*2d?
[takodori] I'm not sure.
[nutaboutit] nah if silver takes
[nutaboutit] nothing rly happens
[nutaboutit] bad idea
[Hidetchi] I'll go get breakfast. This hotel servers rice and Miso soup...
[moshalas] ooh
[nutaboutit] wow really?
[takodori] Take care, Hidetchi.
[nutaboutit] In the US?
[nutaboutit] Rare...
[moshalas] not so these days
[nutaboutit] Ok in the hotels in Seattle it's rare.
[nutaboutit] How about that?
[moshalas] makes enough sense. but I've never been there, so I can't really say much
[takodori] What if taking the Lance by ▽Kx2d?
[takodori] Dropping a Silver on 3e?
[nutaboutit] yes
[nutaboutit] unfortunately i forgot to think about if silver takes
[nutaboutit] well
[takodori] Px3e Gx3e K-1c, then Sentea has only four pawn in hand.
[nutaboutit] it cuts off kings escape route
[nutaboutit] true
[takodori] I don't see how to approach the King.
[nutaboutit] yeah yose is impossible then
[barbapappa] he should have dropped silver at 2b
[takodori] When? barbapappa.
[nutaboutit] K-2d then what?
[barbapappa] ya knew it
[nutaboutit] mmm
[mstrategic] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[takodori] Whether good approach to Gote's King or not?
[nutaboutit] S*2b then take the knight?
[nivlinch] ohoh, i saw their was another sennichite :D
[nutaboutit] w00t
[nutaboutit] go me
[barbapappa] I thought it first!
[nutaboutit] i said it 1st!
[nutaboutit] :P
[nutaboutit] the knight part at least ;)
[nutaboutit] well if he takes the knight
[nutaboutit] yeah he could just go back to 1c
[takodori] Maybe fukaura's next move S*6c or G*6c.
[nutaboutit] would he just take the bishop
[nutaboutit] ?
[barbapappa] Im clueless
[nutaboutit] me too
[takodori] The press room is examing the line like ▽G*6c ▲+Rx7d ▽Gx7d ▲B*4d
[takodori] and then (1)▽P-1e or (2)▽G*2b.
[tofuya] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[nutaboutit] this game is mind boggling
[takodori] Aono said it looks bad for gote how long way it goes.
[nivlinch] G*2b can be meet by S1a+, no ? it breaks the the black attack, but give another lance to him
[nutaboutit] no
[nutaboutit] he meant Gx2b
[takodori] (2)Gx2b instead of G*2b
[nivlinch] sorry, i understood G*1b ^^
[takodori] Yokoyama 5-dan said, "Since the remaining time is limited, I cannot predict which one to win."
[nutaboutit] Well heh if sente takes a bishop then takes the lance its a threatmate.. an easy to defend against threatmate but at least its something :)
[nutaboutit] he took the knight eh?
[tomahawk.] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[nutaboutit] wow dunno why i couldnt see that
[tofuya] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[nutaboutit] hes so close to a mate if only the king couldnt go to 1e
[takodori] Wow! B*7c. I did not see it at all.
[nutaboutit] cool!
[takodori] But P*6d and then what?
[takodori] +Rx6d, maybe?
[nutaboutit] whats stopping +Bx6d?
[barbapappa] dragon needs to attack the gold
[takodori] Then the Drogon's location would be bad comparing with 7c.
[nutaboutit] oh i get it
[takodori] since the Pawn on 5d exist.
[nutaboutit] a miracle!
[nutaboutit] he went with my suggestion!
[takodori] Good.
[nutaboutit] dunno if thats a good thing tho! :D
[nutaboutit] i was thinking more he dropped that bishop to defend 2h
[nivlinch] are they on byo-yomi, or not yet ?
[takodori] seems not yet.
[takodori] Here is a reading line by gpsshogi after B*4f. 6dx6g S*3h 3ix3h 4gx3h (threatmate) B*3g (threatmate) 3hx3g (threatmate) 6gx3g 4fx3g+
[takodori] looks a very horrible line.
[nutaboutit] seems.. unlikely
[takodori] It update the reading line like 6dx6g S*3h 3ix3h 4gx3h (threatmate) B*3g (threatmate) 3hx3g (threatmate) 6gx3g (threatmate) 4fx3g+ (threatmate) 2hx3g
[barbapappa] dragon can move to 6e?
[barbapappa] its a treathmate?
[nutaboutit] is it?
[takodori] It's not I think.
[barbapappa] yes?
[barbapappa] knight 1f?
[nutaboutit] thats not a mate obv
[barbapappa] now dragon 6e?
[nutaboutit] block?
[nutaboutit] P-5e?
[takodori] I'm nos sure why N*1r was needed.
[nutaboutit] yeah king was going nowhere
[nutaboutit] 詰めろです！
[nutaboutit] An obv one
[barbapappa] ?
[nutaboutit] Threatmate
[takodori] It's a threatmate such as ▽Bx2h+
[takodori] Check.
[nutaboutit] heh
[takodori] Wow.
[barbapappa] wow I foresaw that
[takodori] To be taken by Tokin.
[nutaboutit] this is why he played knight 1f
[nutaboutit] took with horse?
[nutaboutit] or bishop i should say
[nutaboutit] Threatmate
[nutaboutit] :)
[takodori] Threatmate, then threatmate then threatmate again.
[nutaboutit] yup
[takodori] ▽B*4h?
[nutaboutit] hmm
[takodori] Is this a threatmate?
[oneye] back
[nutaboutit] dont think so
[oneye] oO
[oneye] what happened!
[takodori] As you see.
[takodori] It has been a close game.
[oneye] still is as i can see
[nutaboutit] hmm maybe it was
[takodori] Looks a weak move.
[shigure] S drop is weak?
[takodori] Just a defensive purpose, I mean.
[oneye] hum
[takodori] In the endgame, a move for both ofense and defense is needed at most gtime.
[shigure] maybe it was too dangerous after N takes lance
[barbapappa] maybe its just not defensive
[oneye] hum
[takodori] In the press room, they say Gote looks like maing a reversal.
[oneye] my eng is too poor
[takodori] making a reversal.
[oneye] from reverse?
[nutaboutit] 逆転ですか。
[oneye] tsumero..
[takodori] in threatmate like N*2g.
[nutaboutit] wow
[oneye] what if Px..
[hirohiigo] Hi again everyone.
[oneye] hihi
[nutaboutit] wb to this crazy game
[oneye] bad that i had to miss half of it lol
[oneye] maybe then..
[oneye] and that..
[oneye] long way to be pro
[oneye] :P
[hirohiigo] Wow, this game.
[nutaboutit] for everyoner
[plumtree] gold drop 3h?
[oneye] hum.
[hirohiigo] Wouldn't a silver be better?
[oneye] need to eat something.
[nutaboutit] nice plum
[hirohiigo] Oh he did drop a gold.
[plumtree] followed by knight drop 2g
[oneye]
[hirohiigo] Oh I see.
[tomahawk.] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[takodori] Threatmate like ▽N*2g ▲Sx2g ▽G*2h
[barbapappa] looks like gote is winning
[plumtree] king take night
[takodori] Check and prevent the threatmate.
[hirohiigo] Nice proverb application, "Drop where your opponent wants to drop"
[oneye] ah next proverb
[nutaboutit] in this case.. drop where itll save ur life
[nutaboutit] lol
[oneye] but what now
[plumtree] White bishop drop 3g
[nutaboutit] u cant?
[oneye] huh?
[nutaboutit] illegal move?
[plumtree] Sorry 4g
[oneye] mhm
[hirohiigo] Gote doesn't have a bishop in hand.
[oneye] 2i protected =="
[oneye] but he..
[oneye] hum
[plumtree] Silly me you are right
[nutaboutit] the kings are staring at each other
[oneye] funny
[hirohiigo] Would Lx be better than Kx?
[oneye] 4g something?
[hirohiigo] Ah, he took with the lance.
[oneye] sure
[oneye] 8c B.. nah
[nutaboutit] moving the knight is check heh
[hirohiigo] The silver is there to interpose the discovered check.
[oneye] wow.
[hirohiigo] This endgame is too delicate...
[nutaboutit] i cant handle it!
[nutaboutit] lol
[oneye] pro power lol
[hirohiigo] Rook drop...
[barbapappa] omg spoiler!
[oneye] <sleeps>
[hirohiigo] How is B*1e?
[nutaboutit] uh
[takodori] Just takes it.
[nutaboutit] yeah
[oneye] take and drop..
[tofuya] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[takodori] They seems to be both in Byoyomi now.
[hirohiigo] How long is the byoyomi for Ou-i? 60 seconds?
[oneye] so hard to be pro lol
[takodori] 60 seconds.
[hirohiigo] Thanks.
[oneye] take or not
[nutaboutit] this game.. will never end..
[nutaboutit] lol
[widar] gold 3i i guess
[hirohiigo] Dragon sacrifice??
[oneye] sure.
[plumtree] King takes then white Silver drop 4g
[oneye] yes
[nutaboutit] no
[oneye] and now.. attack the rook?
[plumtree] Yes
[nutaboutit] G*3h?
[oneye] S/G
[takodori] Yeah, Fukaura is turning around the game.
[oneye] 3g not protected.
[oneye] argh cat
[oneye] not at my back
[barbapappa] is he a defense specialist?
[nutaboutit] S
[aaa] who is black who is white
[oneye] what now..
[oneye] ah..
[oneye] can't he run?
[plumtree] King takes Pawm
[oneye] why not N
[hirohiigo] You don't want your king closer to the battlefield.
[plumtree] Because silver protects 4g
[takodori] Which one would be okay.
[oneye] ye B.
[oneye] um.
[aaa] is this live?
[plumtree] Now take knight
[hirohiigo] Fukaura's king has wide escaping room
[oneye] 5c..
[hirohiigo] Nice job, oneye.
[plumtree] black bishop 5c
[oneye] 4f..
[nutaboutit] even i saw that
[oneye] the problem is continuation
[oneye] R*?
[oneye] 5f->3f
[oneye] take S
[hirohiigo] K-4g... then what?
[hirohiigo] B-3f?
[1900] if takes knight L*3i
[oneye] P*
[takodori] Reveral again??
[takodori] Reversal*
[oneye] ah L*
[plumtree] WHite bishop to 7f
[plumtree] 7e
[hirohiigo] Ooooh I see.
[nutaboutit] また逆転ですか。
[plumtree] Now its a horse
[hirohiigo] Hmm.
[oneye] ym y mym
[xkhvcy6dr] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] P*
[plumtree] First pawn on 4h
[oneye] ..
[oneye] that lance?
[oneye] or R check
[hirohiigo] B-6d+?
[oneye] 6d?
[hirohiigo] No that's bad.
[nutaboutit] i was think R check
[plumtree] Lance drop 3i
[nutaboutit] thinking*
[1900] ah~ tsumi
[1900] R-7e+ ~ 5g
[1900] not diff ?
[1900]
[nutaboutit] ??????????????????
[1900] oops sorry >.<
[oneye] um
[oneye] take P..
[takodori] Taking a Silver on 3h means to get rid of the threatmate to Sente's King.
[oneye] sure
[oneye] but..
[oneye] what then.
[xkhvcy6dr] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] where can i watch..
[oneye] the game..
[nutaboutit] http://live.shogi.or.jp/oui/kifu/oui20100901_02r.html
[hirohiigo] Isn't Fukaura running low on time?
[oneye] thx
[takodori] Fukaura resigned the game.
[nutaboutit] omg
[hirohiigo] Ah.
[takodori] Hirose becaome Ryuo.
[oneye] ><
[oneye] yeyyyy
[nutaboutit] err oui?
[oneye] wait
[oneye] lol
[oneye] oui!
[hirohiigo] Incredible.
[shigure] congrats to hirose!
[nutaboutit] mating line?
[moshalas] ou-i! good stuff
[shigure] thank you takodori for sharing the boardlive with us (:
[nutaboutit] wait im reading it now
[moshalas] Kx4h...
[shigure] and everyone for the comments :D
[takodori] you're welcome.
[driekush] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[takodori] Mating line, wait a minute.
[plumtree] Thanks also
[moshalas] sure
[shogi-ryu] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[hirohiigo] Thank you very much, Takodori.
[nutaboutit] ah i see after Kx4h
[nutaboutit] B-7e+
[plumtree] Yes
[oneye] and block.
[oneye] and take
[oneye] and ..
[oneye] surround.
[nutaboutit] reading the japanese 1 sec
[nutaboutit] well takodori is too
[moshalas] its pretty simple
[oneye] sii..mple...
[oneye] ...
[oneye] <hide>
[moshalas] lol
[1900] hm~ diffcult ...
[moshalas] I'll copy this and try to play it out one sec
[oneye] i think it is about surrounding :P
[moshalas] more likely
[oneye] KxP
[oneye] B*
[oneye] block
[oneye] RxS
[oneye] Kx
[oneye] Hx blocking piece
[nutaboutit] hirose ou-i!
[oneye] and P*3h
[oneye] with R3i
[takodori] I could not find mate yet, but here is brinkmate line.
[oneye] ye
[oneye] gote have to chance
[oneye] any move..
[oneye] i mean P*3h if K run ..
[oneye] and.. R sac..
[oneye] 3g..
[zakomax] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[takodori] ▽Kx4h ▲B-7e+ ▽N*5g ▲Rx3h ▽Kx3h ▲+Bx5g
[takodori] Then Gote's King is in hisshi(brinkmate).
[oneye] yesss
[oneye] it is what i thought of lol
[oneye] without this funny triangles :D
[nutaboutit] お世話になりましたTakodoriさん
[oneye] these*
[takodori] Thanks all.
[widar] thank you
[takodori] Shogi is a interesting game, as you watch here.
[hirohiigo] I hope Hidetchi makes a video of this game.
[plumtree] Is it possible to resign so one can look through the score
[takodori] He is in US. I hop he will have time to do that.
[hirohiigo] Ah, I forgot he's in the US.
[barbapappa] you make it!
[oneye] if not, he will later
[nutaboutit] Excellent game.
[hirohiigo] I'm not strong enough to properly comment on it. ^^;;
[nutaboutit] A pleasure to stay up all night for.
[nutaboutit] And with that....
[nutaboutit] お休みなさい
[barbapappa] anyone have the link for that japanese where you can search for pro games by opening?
[hirohiigo] Good night, nutaboutit.
[takodori] good night for Amarican cantinent residents.
[barbapappa] site*
[hirohiigo] http://wiki.optus.nu/shogi/index.php?lan=jp&page=senkei_index
[hirohiigo] Here you go.
[nutaboutit] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[barbapappa] ty ty :D
[widar] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] it was soo much fun
[hirohiigo] Watching the boardlive on 81 Dojo was great.
[oneye] hai hai
[moshalas] :)
[moshalas] thanks for presenting this, I shall be in the main room
[moshalas] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] btw
[oneye] resign should be here too!
[oneye] lol
[plumtree] Bye
[oneye] so i could watch kifu lol
[plumtree] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[hirohiigo] For some reason there's a bug with watching where the game doesn't end.
[tofuya] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[hirohiigo] Hidetchi's in the US so he's not working on 81 Dojo at th emoment
[shigure] oh takodori has made the player resign?
[oneye] i think no lol
[barbapappa] dont understand anything of that site
[moshalas] [auto-chat] I have left this room.
[oneye] i should study some shogi
[oneye] too lazy as always
Game End.
[ouisen_1] [auto-chat] I resign.
[shigure] yay
[takodori] Oh, I fotgot it.
[takodori] fotgot it.
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